Topic: Wall spells

[munchy]

Can wall spell simply be dispelled...
A) during its duration?
B) after its duration? (IceWall as an example stays after its duration)

Do earth / stone wall also stay permanently, like the ice wall if it weren't melting?

[NicholasHMCaldwell]

Can wall spell simply be dispelled...
A) during its duration?

Yes.

B) after its duration? (IceWall as an example stays after its duration)

If it exists after its duration, then it cannot be dispelled.

Do earth / stone wall also stay permanently, like the ice wall if it weren't melting?

No.

Best wishes,
Nicholas

[Bruce]

B) after its duration? (IceWall as an example stays after its duration)

If it exists after its duration, then it cannot be dispelled.

Do earth / stone wall also stay permanently, like the ice wall if it weren't melting?

No.

Best wishes,
Nicholas

That doesn't make sense, could you elaborate why the ice wall would stay but not the earth/stone wall?

[NicholasHMCaldwell]

Because an ice wall will melt in due course (in most environments). An earth wall or a stone wall will be there for a very long time. Hence Earth Wall would essentially be permanent and that ought to be costed as such.

If you want to change the status quo, then change the Ice Wall spell so that it only lasts as long as the spell duration.

Best wishes,
Nicholas

[Bruce]

Because an ice wall will melt in due course (in most environments). An earth wall or a stone wall will be there for a very long time. Hence Earth Wall would essentially be permanent and that ought to be costed as such.

If you want to change the status quo, then change the Ice Wall spell so that it only lasts as long as the spell duration.

Best wishes,
Nicholas

The way I am looking at it is the spell creates the substance for the spell effect, then leaves it. The spell effect is not magical after the spell duration runs out, but it sort of is magical during the duration. For the elemental spells casting the spell creates the required element out of nothingness but the material is essentially non magical except for the magic forces keeping it in place. For earth spells I would think it would be an extra magical effect to have the material disintegrate once the spell's duration has ended, since the substance does not need any more magic to keep it in place. Consequently if the wall is thin then it could easily collapse or be broken through once the duration is over. But the thicker the earth wall the longer it would stick around after the spell duration ended. This is just my reasoning.

[Thom @ ICE]

Just my own point of view.... not official at all....
The Ice Wall should disappear after duration is exceeded.  The fact that it may melt in a warmer than freezing environment is irrelevant and actually, I would have the ice wall begin melting immediately (or almost instantaneously in some volcanic environments) - and if the spell is costed as being non-permanent, then the effect should be the same for all types.


The caster is summoning material from another location to create the wall - and after the spell duration is over it returns to where it came from.
If you want the spell to be permanent there is always scaling available.  Of course, a permanent ice wall in a tropical environment simply becomes a puddle over time.

[Warl]

also, if any were permanent, they would way to cheaply become a means of permanent fort building.

[Bruce]

Just my own point of view.... not official at all....
The Ice Wall should disappear after duration is exceeded.  The fact that it may melt in a warmer than freezing environment is irrelevant and actually, I would have the ice wall begin melting immediately (or almost instantaneously in some volcanic environments) - and if the spell is costed as being non-permanent, then the effect should be the same for all types.


The caster is summoning material from another location to create the wall - and after the spell duration is over it returns to where it came from.
If you want the spell to be permanent there is always scaling available.  Of course, a permanent ice wall in a tropical environment simply becomes a puddle over time.

Awesome! That is official enough for me, and it makes sense....