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Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« on: August 15, 2013, 05:05:48 PM »
G'day!

I hope you don't mind me asking Terry, but is there interest in an annotated checklist of Shadow World products beyond the barebones listings I've seen of ICE products?

I'm thinking of something that can be used as the first post of a stickied thread here, so that peeps can come in and see at a glance what there is, what there has been, who wrote what, and maybe even a paragraph or two of comment straight from the Terry's mouth.

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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2013, 06:19:58 PM »
G'day!

I hope you don't mind me asking Terry, but is there interest in an annotated checklist of Shadow World products beyond the barebones listings I've seen of ICE products?

I'm thinking of something that can be used as the first post of a stickied thread here, so that peeps can come in and see at a glance what there is, what there has been, who wrote what, and maybe even a paragraph or two of comment straight from the Terry's mouth.



Hi, so basically, you are looking for a list of canon SW materials? sure I can start one, though unfortunately many are currently out of print. I am working as fast as I can to get them back into publication, but it's taking awhile...
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2013, 06:41:24 PM »
Terry,

I was thinking more of starting one myself, rather than imposing on you to do the work, and updating it as needed. You, however, would be more than welcome to add annotations, the paragraph or two (as noted above), and correcting any mistakes.

Do you mind if I start work on the checklist?
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2013, 08:01:55 PM »
Here is a start:

Master Atlas V. 1-4(boxed sets and bound)
The Grand Campaign

Jaiman

Jaiman: Land of Twilight
Haalkitaine
Xa’ar
Cloudlords(loremaster series)
Cloudlords Revised
Iron Wind(loremaster series)

Emer

Emer Master Atlas & Addendum(boxed set)
Emer II: North East
Emer I: North West
Eidolon: City in the Sky

Mini Adventures
Island of Jade
White Woods..?
...(I know there is more by Terry)
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2013, 08:41:58 PM »
Should the Player's Guide be included?

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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2013, 09:15:07 PM »
Of course, Voriig!

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I hope to get a start on it after I've made my lunch (it's almost quarter past midday right now, here).
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2013, 09:46:30 PM »
Here's what I know of:

Shadow World Checklist

  • Emer, The Great Continent (Boxed Set): ICE 6100
  • Shadow World Master Atlas (Boxed Set): ICE 6000
  • Shadow World Master Atlas 2nd Ed.: ICE 6050

Sourcebooks & Adventures

  • The Cloudlords of Tanara: ICE 5000
  • The Curse of Kabis: ICE 6303
  • Cyclops Vale: And Other Tales: ICE 6009
  • Demons of the Burning Night: ICE 6003
  • Eidolon, City in the sky: ICE 6300
  • Emer I: North West
  • Emer II: North East
  • Gethaena, Underneath Emer: ICE 6301
  • The Grand Campaign
  • Haalkitaine
  • The Iron Wind: ICE 5020
  • "Island of Jade"
  • Islands of the Oracle: ICE 6011
  • Jaiman, Land of Twilight: ICE 6010
  • Journey to the Magic Isle: ICE 6002
  • Kingdom of the Desert Jewel: ICE 6007
  • Nomads of the Nine Nations: ICE 6013
  • Norek, Intrigue in a City state of Jaiman: ICE 6014
  • The Orgillion Horror: ICE 6006
  • Quellbourne, Land of the Silver Mists: ICE 6001
  • Shade of the sinking plain: LM 5010
  • Sky Giants of the Brass Stair: ICE 6012
  • Star Crown Empire: ICE 6005
  • Tales of the Loremasters: ICE 6004
  • Tales of the Loremasters Vol.II: ICE 6008
  • "White Woods"
  • The World of Vog Mur: LM 11001
  • Xa’ar

Fiction

  • The Loremaster Legacy / Terry K. Amthor (2013)
  • Stormriders: ICE 6200
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2013, 12:12:58 AM »
Just some notations:

Shadow World Checklist

Emer, The Great Continent (Boxed Set): ICE 6100*
Shadow World Master Atlas (Boxed Set): ICE 6000*
Shadow World Master Atlas 2nd Ed.: ICE 6050*
Shadow World Master Atlas 3rd Ed.
Shadow World Master Atlas 4th Ed.

Sourcebooks & Adventures

The Cloudlords of Tanara: ICE 5000
The Curse of Kabis: ICE 6303**
Cyclops Vale: And Other Tales: ICE 6009*
Demons of the Burning Night: ICE 6003*
Eidolon, City in the sky: ICE 6300
Emer I: North West
Emer II: North East
Gethaena, Underneath Emer: ICE 6301*
The Grand Campaign
Haalkitaine
The Iron Wind: ICE 5020*
"Island of Jade"
Islands of the Oracle: ICE 6011*
Jaiman, Land of Twilight: ICE 6010
Journey to the Magic Isle: ICE 6002*
Kingdom of the Desert Jewel: ICE 6007*
Nomads of the Nine Nations: ICE 6013*
Norek, Intrigue in a City state of Jaiman: ICE 6014*
The Orgillion Horror: ICE 6006**
Quellbourne, Land of the Silver Mists: ICE 6001*
Shade of the sinking plain: LM 5010**
Sky Giants of the Brass Stair: ICE 6012*
Star Crown Empire: ICE 6005*
Tales of the Loremasters: ICE 6004*
Tales of the Loremasters Vol.II: ICE 6008*
"White Woods"
The World of Vog Mur: LM 11001
Xa’ar

* Out of print (probably permanently)
** Non-canon; not recommended

Fiction

  • The Loremaster Legacy / Terry K. Amthor (2013)
  • Stormriders: ICE 6200
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2013, 12:17:11 AM »
Thank you for the update, Terry, I appreciate it.
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2013, 01:49:52 AM »
Thank you for the update, Terry, I appreciate it.

My pleasure. Of course, there are some other modules in that list that are a bit 'out there' which I would not include in my own version of the world, but I don't object to. I suppose if you want to get technical, only the stuff I actually wrote would be considered 'canon' but I have included Quellbourne, and parts of Star Crown in my timeline, and I've included Norek in Jaiman. But books like Magic Isle, Nomads, and Desert Jewel are all kind of take-or-leave. I may have mentioned them peripherally, but if I ever get out to Thuul, things might change.

Back in the old days of ICE (pre 1992), the financial powers wanted to push out as many modules as possible, and other forces wanted SW to be a kind of 'plug-and-play' generic world, which of course I resisted. Hence, we got Underearth Emer, Island of the Oracle and (shudder) Orgillion Horror (which was originally a rejected Call of Cthulhu module!), and many of the others mentioned above. Some better quality than others, whether or not they would fit into the Shadow World as I saw it.

Others, Like Quellbourne and the Tales of the Loremasters, were written embracing the SW background more or less. Sky Giants I was ambivalent about, but now I'm writing a module set in that area, and that is going to kind of rewrite it, so, as they say on Voyager, prepare for temporal incursion...

I don't know if that clarifies things or just muddies the waters more...
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2013, 04:13:22 AM »
It clarifies things for me, since your central vision suffuses the setting, and since I consider Kulthea very much a creator-driven setting.
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2013, 07:02:36 AM »
Before I forget: Terry, you're more than welcome to add annotations to the checklist, such as a paragraph or two on items.
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2013, 08:50:10 AM »
 You might also want to check out this website http://www.icewebring.com/articles-and-indexes/reviews/rolemaster-fantasy-roleplaying/ as Brent Knorr has done a lot of stuff like this already.
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2013, 02:53:00 PM »
You might also want to check out this website http://www.icewebring.com/articles-and-indexes/reviews/rolemaster-fantasy-roleplaying/ as Brent Knorr has done a lot of stuff like this already.
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Right you are Mark, here's a direct link to his SW page, where he has blurbs about all the products up through Player Guide. (oops we left 'Powers' out of our list!)

http://www.icewebring.com/ice-products/shadow-world/
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2013, 08:59:55 PM »
Ooh! Any problems if I go over the checklist & add links to Mr Knorr's individual pages, as well as links to the relevant RPGNow pages?
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2013, 10:05:22 PM »
Ooh! Any problems if I go over the checklist & add links to Mr Knorr's individual pages, as well as links to the relevant RPGNow pages?

Knock yourself out
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2013, 08:18:23 AM »
Shadow World Checklist


Sourcebooks & Adventures


Fiction

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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2013, 04:57:27 PM »
Looking good, but if you don't mind adding my notations about non-canon, and you can add it to those first three novels. ;-)
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2013, 06:47:09 PM »
Will do, Terry
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Re: Query: a Shadow World Checklist
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2013, 07:31:19 PM »
And, not to be too commercial, but, in addition to the webring notation, a link to where someone could actually buy the book would actually be useful? While Brent's page is a nice informational reference, if people want to purchase the materials, a direct pointer is nice.
Several of the main SW sourcebooks are still available through RPG now. Xa-ar in particular would benefit from a current link, and also the new Cloudlords.


Sorry, but you wanted to do it ;-)
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