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Hi all,

Quick question - various Cyradon flying creatures only list 1 BMR - Cliff Rukh's is 20 for example. Is that the Flight or "walking" BMR? If flight, seems slow compared to creatures in HARP (Wyvern is 60 for example, Giant Wasp - 44)

Rukh - 20
Fey Drake - 5
Patago - 12

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Re: Cyradon Flying Creatures - only one movement BMR listed - should be 2?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2013, 09:20:38 PM »
Agreed.... that's why Cyradon is getting the update also.
If you look back on the original HARP everything was slow.  Once Cyradon is updated using the new monster system the speeds will be in line (and separate BMR rates will be listed).
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Re: Cyradon Flying Creatures - only one movement BMR listed - should be 2?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2013, 10:12:10 PM »
Agreed.... that's why Cyradon is getting the update also.
If you look back on the original HARP everything was slow.  Once Cyradon is updated using the new monster system the speeds will be in line (and separate BMR rates will be listed).

Oh .. so for now? (Since I am mid-game) Triple the BMR?
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http://www.ironcrown.com/ICEforums/index.php?topic=13023.0


 The above link has info in which Thom answered your question.
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Well, provided the formula ... But since a Rukh and Gryphon appear to be the same size, I will assume they are roughly the same BMR ... (unless biped vs. quadruped makes a lot of difference Flight BMR wise ... )

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 I am not a HARP know it all but I think they did not differentiate between 2 leg and 4 leg winged creatures like in RM.


 I hope that helps. But if it does not I might just look and see what is close to them in RM and extrapolate a base move from them.
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Flight speed has nothing to do with number of legs....
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Wind resistance?  ;D


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1) I was also thinking that 4 legged creatures are generally faster on land than 2 legs so in the air you would not use their land speed as a base for their air speed. and vice versa (sp).
2) Most air-born creatures on Earth are 2 legged (I cannot think of any and I did a quick search but did not find any besides 4 legged gliders) so I assumed that having 4 legs would be slower do to extra bone and body mass to aid in land movement.


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2) Most air-born creatures on Earth are 2 legged (I cannot think of any and I did a quick search but did not find any besides 4 legged gliders) so I assumed that having 4 legs would be slower do to extra bone and body mass to aid in land movement.

Most air-borne creatures on Earth are 6 legged. To be more specific, most air-borne creatures on Earth are beetles. Possibly most species on earth, flying or not, are beetles, but the nematodes are giving them a run for their money.

Flying vertebrates are 2 legged, though. This probably has more to do with evolution than anything else. It's easier to repurpose an existing limb than add a new one. However, a flying creature needs to minimize its body weight and having additional limbs would probably be counterproductive. Classic dragons aside.
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jdale;
 Yes I forgot about the insects  ;D  I need to find my college Zoology book from 1990 and re hit that info so it sticks better. ;D


 I am not a Dino expert at all but I was trying to think about some that might fit the above example, I know it would not be anywhere close to perfect but it might help. Or at last give me a few moments reading just what the heck it is on some website.
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