Topic: RMC or RMSS?

[Cpt Tiberius J. Krik]

Thank you for the advice

Which edition is this: Ebay Listing

Also, any reason I've stopped being notified of replies to threads I've asked notification for? I'm not aware that I've changed anything.

[jdale]

That's RM2. It's the version that was re-organized and re-edited into RMC. I believe the rules are very similar.

[Cpt Tiberius J. Krik]

Thank you jdale

[Peter R]

The biggest difference in play,  in my opinion, is with skill resolution. In RM2 you have partial success at 76+ and success at 101+

In RMC you have a different table structure with partial success at 76+, near success at 91+ and success not until 111+. It has a massive impact in play at lower levels.

RMC is superior to RM2.

[Cpt Tiberius J. Krik]

Just bought the RMC pdf.

Looking forward to delving in. One thing though, no bookmarks? Tsk tsk tsk

[Spectre771]

RMC is superior to RM2.

WHAT?!?!??!   

That must be a typo.  Maybe he meant to say "RMC-I" or "RMC-II" so on.  It's the Companions make it greater!  LOL

OK, in all fairness, we never went into RMC.  We had a couple of players buy a book to check it out but we didn't adopt anything into the RM2 campaigns we did and none of us (on a college student's income) wanted to invest a bunch of money into RMC when it was so similar to RM2.  I had a player grab a book when I ran my campaign a couple of summers ago and there were enough differences that it messed up a lot of things with the 7 other players and their PC's and stats.  It was frustrating because he is a rules lawyer and was arguing RMC rules when 7 other players were all going by RM2 rules.

[Peter R]

RMC is superior to RM2.

WHAT?!?!??!   

That must be a typo.  Maybe he meant to say "RMC-I" or "RMC-II" so on.  It's the Companions make it greater!  LOL

OK, in all fairness, we never went into RMC.  We had a couple of players buy a book to check it out but we didn't adopt anything into the RM2 campaigns we did and none of us (on a college student's income) wanted to invest a bunch of money into RMC when it was so similar to RM2.  I had a player grab a book when I ran my campaign a couple of summers ago and there were enough differences that it messed up a lot of things with the 7 other players and their PC's and stats.  It was frustrating because he is a rules lawyer and was arguing RMC rules when 7 other players were all going by RM2 rules.

I played RM2 from the start right up until a couple of years ago. I introduced a new GM to RM and of course you cannot buy RM2 books, not if you need a complete set of rules to run a game. He bought RMC and I noticed the differences so I bought RMC as well in PDF. If you have both side by side, the way that options or rules explanations from many of the companions have been integrated into the core books whilst still being RM2 at heart does actually make it a superior system unless RM2 is your one true love, in which case nothing would ever come close.

I suppose RMC is 'RM2 fixed' as opposed to 'RM2 patched' which is what you get with the stack of companions.

[Spectre771]

I suppose RMC is 'RM2 fixed' as opposed to 'RM2 patched' which is what you get with the stack of companions.

I would GLADLY buy RMC-VIII if it was released!     I love the Companions. 

I know I never gave RMC a full chance even though I've heard plenty of great things about it.  I can see about borrowing the book my friend purchased and start looking through it but I know he has only one book from RMC.

[Peter R]

I suppose RMC is 'RM2 fixed' as opposed to 'RM2 patched' which is what you get with the stack of companions.

I would GLADLY buy RMC-VIII if it was released!     I love the Companions. 

I know I never gave RMC a full chance even though I've heard plenty of great things about it.  I can see about borrowing the book my friend purchased and start looking through it but I know he has only one book from RMC.

I don't think there is much point in moving from RM2 to RMC if you know all the RM2 rules and already have the RM2 books. If I was to move system again it would be to RMU when finished although I am chomping at the bit to run a HARP game based upon an Alien craft (mothership) crash landing on a HARP Fantasy world. A sort of HARP Independency Day.

[Hurin]

What would be the main differences between RMC and RM2? I ask purely out of curiosity; I'm an RM2 and now RMU player.

[Peter R]

Static action resolution is based upon Eleventy One+ for success not 101+.
RMC has a really nice themed static action resolution table that is a bit like the skill resolution tables in in RMU where the partial/near/success results are themed to the skill.

The Combat Round is not phases but percentage action. Optional rules like spears being used 1 handed are rolled into the core rules.

The books are slightly better organised, the best single change being the index of optional rules at the front of every book.

There are not that many earth shattering changes, it is more polished and integrated and the net effect of RM2 + bolt-on companions.

Evolution rather than revolution.

[Hurin]

Ah, thanks Peter. I have always wondered what the big changes were.

[Cory Magel]

I don't know as if there would be much of a point to moving from RM2 to RMC provided you already have the RM2 books you want and are used to (and possibly customized) it.

Just FYI, we used RM1/2 with 2nd Ed AD&D, then went to MERP, then went to RMSS.

[Peter R]

I don't know as if there would be much of a point to moving from RM2 to RMC provided you already have the RM2 books you want and are used to (and possibly customized) it.

Just FYI, we used RM1/2 with 2nd Ed AD&D, then went to MERP, then went to RMSS.

I agree, having played both, I only made the commitment to RMC as I was initially  supporting a new GM.

I also at that time wanted to play a RAW campaign as some of our group's house rules had been  created decades previously by a GM known for not actually reading the rules and as an enthusiastic house ruler. Some of his creations were accepted as core rules by some of us as we had never questioned them. I did question them and the need for them. I chose the RMC version to be the RAW ruleset as it was a better set of core books.

Finally I am now playing a minimal ruleset without levels, without professions, without experience and stripped back skill set but under the hood it is RMC.

[Cpt Tiberius J. Krik]

Is there an errata listing for RMC? I've looked but can't find anything.

[rafmeister]

     There are typos, but no list that I am aware of. For example, the RMC static maneuver chart on page 139 has +2 for knowing what realm the spell is (for runes and attunement). In prior editions, this was a +20.

     I suggest starting a new thread asking for errata if you cannot find one.

[Cpt Tiberius J. Krik]

I've bought the RMC Character Law pdf and I'm considering buying the others.

Does anyone know if I am allowed to go to the local printer shop in town and have it printed out and coil bound or is that a breach of copyright infringement?

Thanks all.

[Peter R]

Yes, you can do that as long as it is a single copy for personal use.

[Cpt Tiberius J. Krik]

Brilliant

Thank you Peter

[ronald]

Finally I am now playing a minimal ruleset without levels, without professions, without experience and stripped back skill set but under the hood it is RMC.

I'd considered picking up your document about this from DriveThru a few times, just got it now. I always liked the idea for "no-profession" characters.